European referendum, anyone decided what way to go

[mrtc]

OK no arguing etc etc,

What way is everyone going, in or out and why

[bhalay207]

Not going to lie, but I'm genuinely confused by it all. I listen to arguments from both sides and both make sense. I have no idea which way I'm going to go.

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[mrtc]

Not going to lie, but I'm genuinely confused by it all. I listen to arguments from both sides and both make sense. I have no idea which way I'm going to go.

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That's very honest it is confusing, i think the best advice is, ignore gove, Cameron, Boris and forage,  basically ignore the people shouting and listen to the people that are just plain talking, ignore the headlines and read in between the lines

[bhalay207]

The problem is, there's solid points made from either side, and I find it hard to sift through it all.

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[stigeye]

Out... all the way. The country has gone down the pan and it will continue to go down further until we start running this country how we (the voters) want it to be run... not bureaucrats in Europe who have zero accountability to us. Remember, it doesn't matter who you vote into government... the real decisions that are made which we have absolutely no power over are made in another country and you/ we have no option but to go along with it.

[mrtc]

I'm voting out, before the European union, England worked with France to build concorde, we don't need to be a member of this expensive and dangerous club

[sheppy1]

I'm voting in... Better the devil you know!

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[marcus]

I'm not eligible to vote as I've lived outside of the UK for more than 15 years. If I could I would probably lean towards the out campaign. Imo I don't think 300k net migration per year is sustainable long term.

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[mrtc]

Out... all the way. The country has gone down the pan and it will continue to go down further until we start running this country how we (the voters) want it to be run... not bureaucrats in Europe who have zero accountability to us. Remember, it doesn't matter who you vote into government... the real decisions that are made which we have absolutely no power over are made in another country and you/ we have no option but to go along with it.

I want the UK public to decide what's best for us, not the eu and definitely not Cameron who claimed up till 3 months ago he didn't know what way to vote but 4 months ago A leaked email proves he was always going to vote IN.

[J1ODYA]

Do any of us remember the UK pre-joining the EU?

I do believe however that whether in or out we will still have strong ties with Europe so those arguments to stay are nonsense. Conversely those voters who think by voting out will suddenly make all the immigrants leave the UK are somewhat deluded!

It will be an interesting day.

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[stigeye]

It's not about sending those who are already here back to where they come from, as that just wont happen... it's about having control of who comes in and how many. As for 'better the devil you know', does anyone here actually know who these people are that decide where we can trade and how are borders are controlled?, it is more likely that you are voting for the devil you don't know.

Everyone has the right to vote which ever way they want, we have a democracy, and long may it continue, just make sure though that when you do vote you are voting for something you actually believe in.

[GOKIWI]

I'm not English but do come from a commonwealth country and have lived here since 1987, I want to say "out" but from what I have seen and experienced , this country cannot stand on its own 2 feet without major change and a quantum shift in its politics. I dont see "out" as working for the U.K right now.

[J1ODYA]

^^^ you're probably right about timing but for.most voters this will be their only chance to vote in or out so may make the wrong choice based on that.

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[mrtc]

I do worry about the timing, but we have not been involved with the changing of laws, giving up our rights to run our country etc etc, we didn't even get a say when Britain gave our rights away, we should of had a referendum then, although I wouldn't of been able to vote as I was in primary school lolj

I have no issue trading with the EU in a common market, but I am sick of Britain only being Britain, we are GREAT BRITAIN, we will not be held ransom by some European bureaucrats

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Am I missing something, loads of people left registering to vote to the last minute but were unable to register due to the website crashing,

That's not the government's fault, that's the stupid individuals fault, they have had long enough to register to vote, I can't believe they would leave something as important as registering for the eu vote to the last minute, idiots

[bruce_19]

My worry is, being Scottish, that if we do vote out then it might cause another referendum for Scotland to leave Great Britain and this time I think it would be Scotland leaving due to the promises not being kept.

Me personally I want to stay in Britain but as for EU I am still undecided.

[stigeye]

There are people out there, those who try to control what you see, hear and think who would make you believe that this once great country is too weak to run on its own and you are too ignorant to make your own decisions. There will never be an ideal time to leave the EU, you can't be totally prepared, what you can do is make up your own mind based on what you see on a day to day basis and what you believe this country and it's people are capable of doing.

If you always do what you have always done, you'll always get what you have always got.

[CraigSRi]

Personally I think nobody can ever predict the impact of staying in or leaving will have - I think it's something that we will find out once the decision has been made and enough time has passed to see the ramifications.
I can only base my decision on what I see happening now, and hope that my vote will influence change for the better.

[Tonto]

Out


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[Rusty2009]

I'm out all the way.

You can sit there and listen to both sides.

Both sides should just stand up and say lets be honest if we stay or leave we have no clue what's going to happen!!


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[tucpal]

Out for me but for me it is not about the migration issues
it is about having a non elected body saying what we can and can't do
and any chosen party I vote for not having the power to govern Britain the way we want them to
but on the imagination issue it is simply not fair to non member eu refugees that have to struggle
to enter Europe whilst poorer member states in Europe have free movement
and can take up the places of people who may actually need help.

[mrtc]

I have a friend who is currently jumping through hoops to get into England, he is an horologist, he is a highly skilled clock-watch maker repairer, he has a skill that is needed but has struggled, horology is a dying artwork, most horologists are retiring now, we have very few people with the skill to remanufacture and repair the clocks, he has a very successful company in India, he has 12 years of experience he started at 14, his bespoke clocks are truly stunning having won international awards but this country would rather we had loads of generic skilled people from Europe instead



I read in an horological magazine it took 18 months to find a team with the right skills to repair big Ben, they were in india but the project had to be delayed due to the European union demanding that we looked across their nations first. The people they found did not have the highly specialised skills needed, so we then had to wait again as the Indian horologist were in Australia, we lost out due to Europe idiots

[tucpal]

Its called fortress Europe

[mrtc]

I smell a rat, the young who are more likely to vote remain were the main people who left registering till the last minute, wouldn't be surprised if the page was turned off for a nice 2 day extension

[hejhopp123]

Chance to leave CCCP in a peaceful way... Take it.

Nasty politicians here in Sweden wrote in EU in state law 2011, to make it more difficult to leave..  Who voted? Not the people. EU = road to dictatorship and chaos. The day after media reported about it, more or less nothing in newspaper before. Corrupt Sweden follow EU.

[tucpal]

definitely not democratic

another thing that annoys the hell out of me is why britain just sort of says ok were half in but not all the way in
there should be a a vote on this every 5 years in every country.

[WoZLinGToN]

I'm voting out based on personal experience, the statistics like how many jobs are linked to Europe and net migration and all that rubbish are bodged figures to suit whoevers agenda is quoting them.

For me it boils down to the essentials that this country needs, housing, accessible health care, non skilled jobs etc. I feel as though staying in affects the poorer people of this country so much more than the rich who can afford private health care etc.

I am voting out because I want our own government to be accountable for decisions made and stop them slopey shoulders coming out every time something goes wrong. It comes down to personal opinion, I think in or out this government needs to stop lying so blatantly to the great British public.

Trade will probably suffer temporarily while there is uncertainty but will soon pick up once we secure some mega deals with non European countries. We import so much in our country Europe will still want a piece of the pie, BMW will still sell cars to the UK.

Had a large debate at work about this the other day, each to their own but there's my opinion anyway haha

[tucpal]

Well said

[Rusty2009]

Here you go take the test

https://www.crowdpac.co.uk/eu-referendum-in-or-out

[stigeye]

Here you go take the test

https://www.crowdpac.co.uk/eu-referendum-in-or-out

My results...

[Rusty2009]

Here you go take the test

https://www.crowdpac.co.uk/eu-referendum-in-or-out

My results...

Snap I got 88% OUT too.

[mrtc]

I got 91%

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[tucpal]

i am 90% OUT with my most important issue being identity.

[hejhopp123]

I'm not british but saw it from my view and ended up 83% out.

Didnt understand all text but most of it can be transfered directly to swedish conditions too without reading... you get it.

[mrtc]

10 days to go

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[Rusty2009]

My vote has been made and I took it to the town hall to make sure 100% it got there.

   


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[Rusty2009]

Voting day people how many have changed their minds?


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[Tonto]

Still out for me


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[mrtc]

Out out out

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I honestly worry it will be rigged to rigged to remain. I cant see the government trusting out decision

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[Rusty2009]

If we come out I think the EU will start to crumble and also others will soon follow.

So say the EU does crumble why can't we be the leaders of setting up a new system which is purely for trading. Each member pays x amount of pounds per year and that money is put in pot and then used if there is a natural disaster to help get them back up running as quickly as possible.

[bhalay207]

After hearing all arguments, I think I've come to the conclusion that I'll be voting out.

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[mrtc]

Did anyone watch the debate last night. Paxman was well out of his depth. He couldnt control anyone

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[Rusty2009]

Did anyone watch the debate last night. Paxman was well out of his depth. He couldnt control anyone

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I got board of watching the debates the remain side kept repeating the same BS over and over.

I'd like to know where they got the £38 a week from though as all they have are predictions and maybes NO FACTS so how can they come up any real figures.


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[mrtc]

The remain side have no real arguments. All they do is belittle and shout

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[bruce_19]

I still have no idea who to vote for if I'm honest.

I don't want this to come out the wrong way but leaving the EU would put Scotland and Wales back under Westminster alone and the fact they where forced the EU to give us powers means we would almost be back to square one again and they could even take the control back.

We might not even get another Scottish referendum vote to leave Brittan if we left the EU which people are thinking might happen if we leave.

On the other hand we can set our own quota's on things like finish ect so leaving might mean more business for our own companies with in the UK and not out sourcing to other EU countries.

I'm still confuse.

[mrtc]

I worry if we vote in the eu will punish us for even thinking of leaving. I feel for the fishing comunity. I feel for the steel comunity. Under eu law the government are not allowed to give hand puts to help the country. France is under investigation for giving citroen-peugeot money. Id like a reformed eu but the eu would never allow it. It needs getting rid of and then making a fair trade agreement. I want quality immigration not mass immigration from the eu. I want the right skilled person from all over the world. We shpuld be able to rule the uk how ee need to not some unelected bureaucrats that i dont even know their name

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[stigeye]

As it stands, they reckon the remain campaign are 6 points ahead in the voting, not surprising really as what you always find in this country is that those who are worst affected by EU and Government policy don't get off their proverbial ass and actually vote. Whining and complaining changes nothing, only direct action by voting will change the direction that this country is going in.

Lie One: Turkey. From the start, David Cameron has hotly denied that there is any prospect of this predominantly Muslim country, with its population of 80 million, joining the EU in the foreseeable future. As he put it on ITV's Peston's Politics: 'They applied in 1987. At the current rate of progress, they will probably get round to joining in about the year 3000.

Leave aside that the Prime Minister has been telling the Turks for years that he is the 'strongest possible advocate' for their admission to the EU — prompting an aide to President Recep Tayyip Erdogan to accuse him on Tuesday of 'taking us for a ride'. Casting shocking doubt on the PM's frankness, it now emerges that the EU is to reopen talks on Turkish accession as early as next week, when the referendum is safely out of the way.

With plans already afoot for offering visa-free UK entry to 1.5 million special passport holders, can voters be happy about the thought of pressing ahead with admitting such a huge population to the EU, giving them the right to settle in the UK?

Lie Two: For months, the Remain camp's key claim has been that if we pulled out, our partners would slap punitive tariffs on British exports. Yesterday, the head of the German equivalent of the CBI laid the scare firmly to rest. Markus Kerber of the BDI declared: 'Imposing trade barriers, imposing protectionist measures between our two countries — or between the two political centres, the EU on the one hand and the UK on the other — would be a very, very foolish thing in the 21st century.'

Does anyone seriously imagine that, in a fit of pique over British withdrawal, beleaguered Angela Merkel would turn a deaf ear to the pleas of German industry and inflict untold damage on her own people? After all, a fifth of the cars her country produces are sold in the UK, while other EU members lean heavily on British buyers and holidaymakers. As the second richest market of the 28, we buy from our partners goods and services worth a whopping £61.7billion a year more than we sell to them.

Lie Three: In his radio interview yesterday, and repeatedly in the past, the Prime Minister has insisted that if we stay in the EU, we can secure further reforms. Not true, says Jean-Claude Juncker. In an unequivocal statement, the President of the European Commission declares: 'British policymakers and British voters have to know that there will be no kind of renegotiation. We have concluded a deal with the Prime Minister. He got the maximum he could receive and we gave the maximum we could give.'

Lie Four: Again on the radio yesterday, as in previous interviews, Mr Cameron made much of his claim that EU migrants are deported if they haven't found work after six months, even though nobody has been able to produce any evidence whatsoever of a single migrant being deported under this 'rule'?

[raimon]

Doing mine later, but OUT for me

[Jj0063]

I voted out this morning.

[Tonto]

I'm actually looking forward to the outcome as everyone I've spoke to has said they've voted out! Will be interesting for sure


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[J1ODYA]

We shouldn't be deciding this... they should never have held this referendum... no one can coherently say what (if anything) will be better if we leave the EU, conversely the remain campaign has been a load of nonsense.

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