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Rain sensor - Kado1111 - 11:th-May-2016
astra j edition 2012 models fitted rain sensor Do I Can i
RE: Rain sensor - sheppy1 - 11:th-May-2016
I don't see why you couldn't.. It would need programming though
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RE: Rain sensor - Kado1111 - 12:th-May-2016
Rain sensor the connection of how we do if we do we will need us to actively chart Have links with OBD
RE: Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 13:th-May-2016
If you want a rain sensor fitted that comes under other thread as it's a rain and light sensor.
It will be a new windscreen, sensor, loom maybe some other wiring adding VCI code (If GM will supply it).
RE: Rain sensor - Kado1111 - 13:th-May-2016
Do not have a single visual that I did want rain sensor, the cheap cost Can i am
RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 14:th-May-2016
Can you even buy a new windscreen which is setup for the auto dimming mirror/ rain and light sensor? What is different about the windscreen for rain and light sensor to a standard windscreen. I know the blacked out part is bigger for the auto dimm mirror and wiring cover, is the black film something that is required for the rain and light sensor?
It's such a shame that VCI requests are so hit and miss, especially when you consider that auto lights and wipers are an in essence a safety upgrade.
RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 14:th-May-2016
I have just read Tucpals how to on dimming mirror which answers my questions above... the factory screen for the dimming mirror I take it comes already fitted with the wiring harness holder fitted to it. The mirror then fixes onto the plate ant the bottom of the harness holder and the harness cover clips onto it.
My question would be, could you cut out some sticky vinyl in the shape of the mirror cover, then 3m the wiring harness holder to the vinyl and windscreen.
RE: Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 14:th-May-2016
The screen just comes with plastic lugs that the mounting plate (sold separate) slots on, it also has the tint (or whatever they want to call it) with the hole for the sensor camera HBA etc.
RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 14:th-May-2016
So, in essence, if you fit your own tint with hole for sensor, you should be able to find a way to stick the plate to the tint (3m tape onto the plate etc). Then it's just a case of fitting the mirror, connect the looms you have acquired, fit the cover to the plate and get a VCI code.
I know I've made that sound very simplistic, I know it isn't and you may not even get the code. In theory I prefer the look of the dimming mirror and assembly, even if it didn't work lol. That would be stage 1 to getting auto lights I presume if you did get the code?.
I also presume it would be better to try and acquire the VCI code before buying everything?
RE: Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 14:th-May-2016
You could try that although Tucpal failed with tint.
You will need to have the auto light switch fitted and also the rain / light sensor parts have to be fitted otherwise they will flat out refuse a VCI code. There May also be some wiring changes needed or wires adding.
I have a sensor here (if anyone wants to give it a go). so all anyone would need is a auto light switch and some ££'s to cover the fees GM charge me and I'll do it at cost.
RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 14:th-May-2016
I was thinking more in the line of fablon than tint to be honest... something that sticks like glue to the window which would then give good purchase for the cradle to be stuck to... If that makes sense. If you have to fit a auto light switch, do you also need to add wiring to that loom?
RE: Rain sensor - Kado1111 - 14:th-May-2016
If there is need to look at the ceiling light socket in the ceiling where there may be hope if the forecast holds
Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 14:th-May-2016
That connector should have all the wires in every car I've looked at does.
Where you may find wires need adding is the connector in the roof where mirror sensor/s loom plugs in
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RE: Rain sensor - bhalay207 - 14:th-May-2016
This is still something I really want to do. I've been looking around for replacement windscreens. By looking I mean ebay but nothing seems to be cropping up, or not at a reasonable price anyway
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What's Fablon?
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RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 14:th-May-2016
You can get fablon from any diy stores, wilkos etc. It is a sticky back vinyl that comes in a roll, you peel the backing off and can stick it to all sorts, old worktops, cupboard doors etc. My thought is get some black fablon, cut it to the shape of the mirror loom cover, stick it to the windscreen so from the outside it would just look blacked out like factory.
Then stick 3m tape to the loom bracket and then stick the bracket onto the fablon, and then fit everything else (loom & mirror and cover for loom bracket). I would have thought that 3m tape would be strong enough to hold the loom bracket to the windscreen as it pretty much holds no weight... well that's the theory anyway.
Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 14:th-May-2016
I've only ever seen standard screens on eBay TBH if your honing to change the screen it's got to be better to use a new screen.
I paid £250 for the GM screen and £40 postage (pallet).
Yes there isn't much weight atall although I'd be more inclined to maybe use tiger seal or no-nails as thinking of heat from the sun heaters etc will only soften the glue on 3m
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RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 14:th-May-2016
I suppose no nails or tiger seal would work as I would only be sticking it to the film rather than the screen.
I have just been offered auto dimming mirror with sensor, loom from mirror to headliner socket, loom windscreen bracket and cover for £80... does that sound like an okay deal?
Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 14:th-May-2016
If I tell you the mirror on its own new is over £300 loom iirc is £10 covers are around £5 each side not 100% sure on the bracket or sensor tho.
Mirrors have sold for as low as £20 tho (if the seller doesn't know what they have)
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RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 15:th-May-2016
So, in theory, if I get the mirror, loom, all of the sensors for that loom, casing and bracket, auto wiper stalk, auto light switch and a prayer I will have everything in place barring the vci code for auto lights and wipers and dimmable mirror?
That's 'if' they would supply it... and judging by some of the posts over the weeks I get the feeling GM don't seem to want to help anyone with retrofits.
RE: Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 15:th-May-2016
Auto dim mirror doesn't need a VCI code that is a plug & play retrofit.
GM seem very hit & miss with VCI codes I seem to find if their SPS system says no it's a no. but as said util someone try's for Auto lights we won't know.
it was the same with the AFL alot of people said it won't work and GM won't allow it well it did work and they did allow it now their people over the water doing it and also getting VCI codes.
RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 15:th-May-2016
What happens with VCI request, does the car need to be hooked up first and then the request is made... or can you just pay someone like yourself to try and retrieve the code and then get it coded to the car or do you need to make 2 visits to get it done?
Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 15:th-May-2016
As said all parts need to be fitted, then the car is plugged on and it scans the car and creates a VCAP file this file is auto uploaded to GM then you fill a form in with all the details.
Then you wait for GM to come back.
If people want to use someone else to enter a code that is fine with me as long as the person knows 100% what they are doing and can answer my questions. Once I'm happy with the person someone wants to use I will gladly send the VCI code over.
I wouldn't send it over to someone who doesn't have clue what they are doing.
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RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 15:th-May-2016
So, who is it that can do this, I know you have the kit and know how to get the VCAP file and fill out the form, but you're at least 3hrs drive away from me. Is this something that other specialists can/will do i.e people like yourself or garages who would be nearer? I would really like to get this done but the thought of buying all the kit and the best part of a day out just to send off a request that we might not be successful with seems extreme. If I were in Dorset I would have already ordered the parts last night.
RE: Rain sensor - Kado1111 - 15:th-May-2016
What is it this socket
Socket
Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 16:th-May-2016
Where are you based @stigeye?
No the grey one
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RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 16:th-May-2016
I'm based in Loughborough mate, about 10 miles from Leicester.
Rain sensor - irmartyn - 16:th-May-2016
Would this be easy to fit to mine?
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Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 16:th-May-2016
(16:th-May-2016, 16:35:22)stigeye Wrote: I'm based in Loughborough mate, about 10 miles from Leicester.
Andy (VXMODS) Liverpool is just waiting on his new MDI if that helps.
(16:th-May-2016, 16:45:53)irmartyn Wrote: Would this be easy to fit to mine?
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Yes is this another one to add to the list?
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Rain sensor - irmartyn - 16:th-May-2016
(16:th-May-2016, 19:10:27)Rusty2009 Wrote:(16:th-May-2016, 16:45:53)irmartyn Wrote: Would this be easy to fit to mine?
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Yes is this another one to add to the list?
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all depends on price as might be buying the USB off Lewis as well. I feel crap with wanting loads doing.
RE: Rain sensor - Kado1111 - 16:th-May-2016
This socket friends still do not understand how it works
RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 16:th-May-2016
How long does it usually take to hear back from GM regarding whether the request has been successful?
Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 17:th-May-2016
(16:th-May-2016, 19:25:43)Kado1111 Wrote: This socket friends still do not understand how it works
There is a loom that plugs into it I'll look all the part numbers up later.
(16:th-May-2016, 20:00:45)stigeye Wrote: How long does it usually take to hear back from GM regarding whether the request has been successful?
Can be anything from 2-48hrs Monday-Friday (they don't work weekends nor bank holidays etc).
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RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 17:th-May-2016
Do you know whether the wiper stalk is different with auto wipers? Also, would the rain, light sensors and loom be different on a 2015 elite, or should I say would the mirror, loom, sensors from a 2015 elite be compatible with a 2012 Astra? I've had a look on eBay and all the wiper stalks look the same, so not sure if it's just programming that's needed or wiper stalk also.
Just noticed that there is a difference in wiper stalks... will check on our car shortly
This is our wiper stalk, does anyone know if this is different to those with auto wipers?...
Rain sensor - irmartyn - 17:th-May-2016
I was told that it's the same not 100% sure.
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Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 17:th-May-2016
Early models had a bigger sensor you need a small one will look on eBay for you.
As to wiper stalk pm your reg and I'll compare yours to mine but iirc they are the same.
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RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 17:th-May-2016
Cheers, I've pm'd you my REG. If I purchased the set that was offered to me which is basically everything I need i.e loom, sensors, mirror and harness cover from the 2015 reg are you saying that one of the sensors on that loom is the wrong size. Cheers for all the info btw.
Rain sensor - irmartyn - 18:th-May-2016
If you don't mind I would like a list of part numbers.
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RE: Rain sensor - Kado1111 - 18:th-May-2016
(15:th-May-2016, 21:20:29)Kado1111 Wrote: What is it this socket
Socket
I wonder sanruff of a socket
RE: Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 18:th-May-2016
Right part number for you.
13378813 HARNESS, ASSY., INTERIOR REAR VIEW MIRROR (FOR RAIN SENSOR) (FOR HEADLAMPS, AUTOMATIC ON-OFF) (EXCEPT FRONT CAMERA) (EXCEPT INTELLIGENT HIGH BEAM) (FOR LIGHT SENSITIVE INTERIOR MIRROR) (IDENT BPL)
20976593 SENSOR, RAIN AND LIGHT, RAIN SENSITIVE WIPERS AND AUTOMATIC HEADLAMPS
13368233 BRACKET (EXCEPT FRONT CAMERA) (FOR RAIN SENSOR)
13307359 COVER, MOUNTING PLATE, REAR VIEW MIRROR, RH (EXCEPT FRONT CAMERA) (EXCEPT INTELLIGENT HIGH BEAM) (FOR RAIN SENSOR) (FOR HEADLAMPS, AUTOMATIC ON-OFF) (PRODUCTION NO. 13305890)
13307311 COVER, MOUNTING PLATE, REAR VIEW MIRROR, LH (EXCEPT FRONT CAMERA) (EXCEPT INTELLIGENT HIGH BEAM) (FOR RAIN SENSOR) (FOR HEADLAMPS, AUTOMATIC ON-OFF) (PRODUCTION NO. 13305889)
The Wiper stalk is the same. I have got all the wiring info so I shall compile it and post the info later.
This is the early model rain/light sensor the one you don't want http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/Vauxhall-Astra-J-Mk6-Rain-Light-Sensor-13311618-/272021021407?hash=item3f55b762df:g:-ZcAAOSwA4dWJQuu
This is the new sensor https://www.callparts.de/fahrzeugteil/lrp21000398942042-opel-astra-j-bj-2014lichtsensor-regensensor-20976593-6pw011014-00
Rain sensor - irmartyn - 18:th-May-2016
Can intelligent high beam work on 5 door?
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RE: Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 18:th-May-2016
I believe so mate that would be different parts.
As far as I know it's a case of turning the option on in the IPC. would be a different loom thou.
Rain sensor - irmartyn - 18:th-May-2016
Easy enough to do? Or is it not worth the extra work?
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RE: Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 18:th-May-2016
Wiper switch pin-out.
![[Image: S82%20Windshield%20Wiper%20Washer%20Switch.jpg]](https://vxoc.org.uk/Images/vxoc%20astra-j-gtc/Tech%20data/Auto%20lights%20wipers/S82%20Windshield%20Wiper%20Washer%20Switch.jpg)
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| [tr][td]Pin[/td][td]Wire[/td][td]Circuit[/td][td]Function[/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]0.35 Grey[/td][td]1715[/td][td]Windshield Wiper Switch High Signal[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]0.35 Black/Grey[/td][td]6009[/td][td]Windshield Wiper Switch Low Reference[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]0.35 Yellow/Blue[/td][td]1714[/td][td]Windshield Wiper Switch Low Signal[/td][/tr][tr][td]4[/td][td]0.35 Brown/Blue[/td][td]391[/td][td]Rear Window Wiper Switch Signal[/td][/tr][tr][td]5[/td][td]0.35 White/Black[/td][td]94[/td][td]Windshield Washer Switch Signal[/td][/tr][tr][td]6-8[/td][td]Not Used[/td][td]Not Used[/td][td]Not Used[/td][/tr] |
Headlamp Switch pin-out
![[Image: S30%20Headlamp%20Switch.jpg]](https://vxoc.org.uk/Images/vxoc%20astra-j-gtc/Tech%20data/Auto%20lights%20wipers/S30%20Headlamp%20Switch.jpg)
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| [tr][td]Pin[/td][td]Wire[/td][td]Circuit[/td][td]Function[/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]0.35 Yellow[/td][td]7556[/td][td]Lighting Control Switch Reference[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]Not Used[/td][td]Not Used[/td][td]Not Used[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]0.35 Green/Grey[/td][td]13[/td][td]Headlamp Switch Park Lamp Signal[/td][/tr][tr][td]4[/td][td]0.35 White/Violet[/td][td]103[/td][td]Headlamp Switch On Signal[/td][/tr][tr][td]5[/td][td]0.35 Green/Brown[/td][td]306[/td][td]Headlamp Switch Headlamps Off Signal Control (T83 or TTW)[/td][/tr][tr][td]6[/td][td]0.5 Black[/td][td]1650[/td][td]Ground[/td][/tr][tr][td]7[/td][td]0.35 Yellow[/td][td]6817[/td][td]LED Backlight Dimming Control[/td][/tr][tr][td]8[/td][td]Not Used[/td][td]Not Used[/td][td]Not Used[/td][/tr][tr][td]9[/td][td]0.5 Violet/Green[/td][td]39[/td][td]Run/Crank Ignition 1 Voltage[/td][/tr][tr][td]10[/td][td]0.5 Brown/Yellow[/td][td]189[/td][td]Headlamp Leveling Motor Supply Voltage[/td][/tr][tr][td]11[/td][td]Not Used[/td][td]Not Used[/td][td]Not Used[/td][/tr][tr][td]12[/td][td]0.35 White/Brown[/td][td]7555[/td][td]Lighting Control Switch Signal[/td][/tr] |
Head liner
![[Image: X210%20Headliner%20Harness%20to%20Body%20Harness.jpg]](https://vxoc.org.uk/Images/vxoc%20astra-j-gtc/Tech%20data/Auto%20lights%20wipers/X210%20Headliner%20Harness%20to%20Body%20Harness.jpg)
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| [tr][td]Pin[/td][td]Wire[/td][td]Circuit[/td][td]Function[/td][/tr][tr][td]1[/td][td]0.35 Green/Brown[/td][td]6132[/td][td]Linear Interconnect Network Bus 1(CE1 or TTW)[/td][/tr][tr][td]2[/td][td]0.35 Yellow/Blue[/td][td]3197[/td][td]Humidity Temperature Sensor Signal[/td][/tr][tr][td]3[/td][td]0.35 Grey/Green[/td][td]7565[/td][td]Windscreen Temp Sensor Signal[/td][/tr][tr][td]4[/td][td]0.35 Black/Blue[/td][td]7566[/td][td]Humidity/Windscreen Temp Sensor Low Reference[/td][/tr][tr][td]5[/td][td]0.35 Grey/Blue[/td][td]7564[/td][td]Humidity Sensor Signal[/td][/tr][tr][td]6[/td][td]0.35 Yellow/Red[/td][td]597[/td][td]5 Volt Reference[/td][/tr][tr][td]7[/td][td]0.35 Grey/White[/td][td]3153[/td][td]Lane Departure Warning Disable Switch Signal (UVT)[/td][/tr][tr][td]8[/td][td]0.35 White[/td][td]3152[/td][td]Lane Departure Warning Indicator Control (UVT)[/td][/tr][tr][td]9[/td][td]0.5 Red/Blue[/td][td]2540[/td][td]Battery Positive Voltage (CE1, TQ5, TTW, or UVT)[/td][/tr][tr][td]10[/td][td]0.5 Black[/td][td]1550[/td][td]Ground (CE1, DD8, TQ5, TTW, or UVT)[/td][/tr][tr][td]11[/td][td]0.75 Violet/Green[/td][td]39[/td][td]Run/Crank Ignition 1 Voltage (DD8 without TQ5, or TQ5 with UVT)[/td][/tr][tr][td]12[/td][td]0.5 Green[/td][td]5060[/td][td]Low Speed GMLAN Serial Data[/td][/tr][tr][td]13[/td][td]0.5 Green/White[/td][td]1324[/td][td]Backup Lamp Supply Voltage (DD8 without TQ5, or TQ5 with UVT)[/td][/tr][tr][td]14-18[/td][td]Not Used[/td][td]Not Used[/td][td]Not Used[/td][/tr] |
I will add the wiring info later on.
RE: Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 18:th-May-2016
(18:th-May-2016, 08:40:55)irmartyn Wrote: Easy enough to do? Or is it not worth the extra work?
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Shouldn't any more extra work mate let me look into the wiring for you.
Rain sensor - irmartyn - 18:th-May-2016
(18:th-May-2016, 09:16:26)Rusty2009 Wrote:(18:th-May-2016, 08:40:55)irmartyn Wrote: Easy enough to do? Or is it not worth the extra work?
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Shouldn't any more extra work mate let me look into the wiring for you.
If it's easy enough for you then it's fine by me mate.
RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 18:th-May-2016
Just found this, which is quite useful.... Vehicle Specific Data Catalogue - Rain Sensor
http://www.ifz-berlin.de/crash_pdf/english_crash_regensensoren.pdf
RE: Rain sensor - stigeye - 18:th-May-2016
I have just had a look to see if I have the required connector block above the comfort lighting, I believe (hope) this is the one I require...
Any idea what this connector is, partially wrapped in grey foam, near my finger...
Rain sensor - Rusty2009 - 18:th-May-2016
Yes that's the right connector mate.
The one wrapped in foam is just another light one quite where there is 2 I don't know and I've not been able to find out why there is 2
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Rain sensor - irmartyn - 18:th-May-2016
Is it the same rear view mirror for IHBA?
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RE: Rain sensor - Kado1111 - 18:th-May-2016
Why did they close the foam