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RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 26:th-Feb-2017
Sorry I was rushing yesterday when popped on.
Yes we need to see what yo have behind the trim, Not quite sure how it comes off on the GTC.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 26:th-Feb-2017
(26:th-Feb-2017, 12:18:39)Rusty2009 Wrote: Sorry I was rushing yesterday when popped on.
Yes we need to see what yo have behind the trim, Not quite sure how it comes off on the GTC.
Anyone else knows how to take the trim off on an Astra GTC (2013)?
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - vocky - 27:th-Feb-2017
you need to remove both the upper and lower sections of the rear seat, the seat belt trim - couple of screws under there, there is a cover over the rear screw fixing and then you should be able to pull the panel off - it has a few of the usual trim clips.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 27:th-Feb-2017
(27:th-Feb-2017, 08:32:16)vocky Wrote: you need to remove both the upper and lower sections of the rear seat, the seat belt trim - couple of screws under there, there is a cover over the rear screw fixing and then you should be able to pull the panel off - it has a few of the usual trim clips.
WOW, rear seat out and also seat belt trim.............pfeww...........that's not an easy one I reckon....and only for checking if the cable is there.....already regret I bought the DAB module hahaha.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 27:th-Feb-2017
I guess I was a little to enthusiastic when buying the DAB module. Seeing the work that needs to be done I am thinking of selling the DAB module again. So, if anyone is interested send me PM and tell me your bid ;-).
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 28:th-Feb-2017
Kick up
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 28:th-Feb-2017
So whats the real plan now?
Surely your not going to give up?
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 28:th-Feb-2017
(28:th-Feb-2017, 09:45:35)Rusty2009 Wrote: So whats the real plan now?
Surely your not going to give up?
Well, I guess will be little more hassle then I thought would be. Each step I need to bother everyone in this forum and takes time of you en slow progress.
Now I read I need to take off rear seat to be able to open the trim for checking aerial......that seems hard, but wouldn't know.
It's sort of slow chatting and me asking all the time, you understand? So, to be honest, I really wouldn't know if I should proceed or not..........;-)
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 1:st-Mar-2017
Exactly my point :-) ;-)
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 1:st-Mar-2017
(28:th-Feb-2017, 11:08:48)EagleForce Wrote: Well, I guess will be little more hassle then I thought would be. Each step I need to bother everyone in this forum and takes time of you en slow progress.
Now I read I need to take off rear seat to be able to open the trim for checking aerial......that seems hard, but wouldn't know.
It's sort of slow chatting and me asking all the time, you understand? So, to be honest, I really wouldn't know if I should proceed or not..........;-)
Sometimes you just have to get stuck in, you can't make an omelette without breaking a few eggs.
People are here to answer question admittedly maybe not as fast as people would like, but we are all here to help each other out.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 3:rd-Mar-2017
I know, it's not a matter of people not willing to answer or help at all.
Today I contacted my dealer about the VCI-code........turns out GM will charge them 150 (!) euro for the small code of software (incl VCI) which is needed for the retrofit.
I think it's madness, but who am I ;-)
So, I stop this project and sell the DAB module again ;-).
Thanks for all the help so far, will of course still follow and participate on other topics here!
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 3:rd-Mar-2017
IIRC DAB VCI is free now I'll look next time i'm online.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 3:rd-Mar-2017
(3:rd-Mar-2017, 08:14:03)Rusty2009 Wrote: IIRC DAB VCI is free now I'll look next time i'm online.
Weird, I had them on the phone yesterday. They told me that Opel/Vauxhall charge for all things that weren't in the car from factory and needs VCI.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 3:rd-Mar-2017
No GM have free of charge retrofits and also a price grading system, they told you lies saying they charge for all VCI retrofits.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 3:rd-Mar-2017
(3:rd-Mar-2017, 15:31:41)Rusty2009 Wrote: No GM have free of charge retrofits and also a price grading system, they told you lies saying they charge for all VCI retrofits.
Wow.......but how can I verify what they will charge then? Need dealer as middleman or not? If I tell them they lie they surely will not help me anymore hahaha.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 3:rd-Mar-2017
Next time I pay to use SPS I will get you a full list.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - vocky - 4:th-Mar-2017
On the GTC the rear quarter trim panels wrap around the rear seat hinges, which is why the rear seat has to come out.
I will add some photos in a few months, I need to add some wiring and they have to come off. I am too busy at the moment to do it.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 4:th-Mar-2017
(3:rd-Mar-2017, 18:50:42)Rusty2009 Wrote: Next time I pay to use SPS I will get you a full list.
Thanks M8!
(4:th-Mar-2017, 10:53:51)vocky Wrote: On the GTC the rear quarter trim panels wrap around the rear seat hinges, which is why the rear seat has to come out.
I will add some photos in a few months, I need to add some wiring and they have to come off. I am too busy at the moment to do it.
Thanks! Will wait for those then!
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - vocky - 7:th-Mar-2017
I had a spare few hours today, so removed the rear quarter trim panel, some photos in my thread
https://www.vxoc.org.uk/forum/Thread-VXR-interior-upgrade?pid=42152#pid42152
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - vocky - 8:th-Mar-2017
If you wanted to check or fit the ZR DAB amplifier to a GTC you could probably just remove the driver side (RHD) parcel shelf side support, the outer cover simply pulls off and the inner cover has two screws holding it on, you need to pull away the boot side panel once the outer cover has been removed to gain access to the two screws.
No need to remove the quarter panel trim or rear seat - if you have the wiring there.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 9:th-Mar-2017
(8:th-Mar-2017, 10:30:25)vocky Wrote: If you wanted to check or fit the ZR DAB amplifier to a GTC you could probably just remove the driver side (RHD) parcel shelf side support, the outer cover simply pulls off and the inner cover has two screws holding it on, you need to pull away the boot side panel once the outer cover has been removed to gain access to the two screws.
No need to remove the quarter panel trim or rear seat - if you have the wiring there.
As English isn't my native language I have some trouble understanding this completely......simple drawing/picture you have perhaps?
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - vocky - 9:th-Mar-2017
I will take another photo for you
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - vocky - 9:th-Mar-2017
outer trim simply pulls off, inner trim has two screws roughly where marked in the photo
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 9:th-Mar-2017
(9:th-Mar-2017, 12:59:14)vocky Wrote:Thanks! This is your left side with seat still in?
outer trim simply pulls off, inner trim has two screws roughly where marked in the photo
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - vocky - 9:th-Mar-2017
UK driver side or Europe passenger side
rear seat is just folded / lowered down
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - EagleForce - 9:th-Mar-2017
(9:th-Mar-2017, 17:53:20)vocky Wrote: UK driver side or Europe passenger side
rear seat is just folded / lowered down
Thanks M8!
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - apoppe - 8:th-Jun-2017
Hi all, recently got another astra j 2.0cdti elite auto 165 car has intellilink 950 Europe fitted from factory but appears not to have DAB radio option in menus?? Is this correct was quiet surprised to discover it's not fitted?
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - niteram - 13:th-Jul-2017
Hi, this is something I would like to do on my car.
It's a sport tourer with navi600, so it has the shark fin on the roof. - It's a 2012 model on a 61 plate.
I've looked in the footwell - the 2 required connectors are present - so a good start
now the bit that I require help/advise with
I think that the DAB aerial is in the O/S/R window and should have a ZU (13353310) unit attatched, which should be wired to the shark fin.
Is that correct??
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 14:th-Jul-2017
Nothing else is wired to the shark-fin the shark-fin is a dummy or GPS only.
IIRC on the tourer the contacts are on side window.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - niteram - 14:th-Jul-2017
I've just had a quick look under the rear trims, the D pillar trim pulls back enough to see a ZS unit one side and a ZT the other - these are for window diversity system, there is a single dummy connector on the O/S glass that I guess the DAB unit attaches to.
If I can get the correct unit - marked ZU I think, how does it connect? I know one wire goes onto the glass, but what about the other end?
I found the part number for the ZU module here
https://nemiga.com/cat_spares/epc/vauxhall/p10/p10/9/
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - zzattack - 14:th-Jul-2017
Where does the other end of the DAB module cable plug into? I can't find the wire but all connectors are fitted on the radio box so I have hopes of finding it.
DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - bhalay207 - 14:th-Jul-2017
(14:th-Jul-2017, 17:59:23)zzattack Wrote: Where does the other end of the DAB module cable plug into? I can't find the wire but all connectors are fitted on the radio box so I have hopes of finding it.
Nothing else plugs into the stereo. I think the wiring is apart of the connector block
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RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 15:th-Jul-2017
DAB box goes behind the pocket drivers side (on RHD)
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - zzattack - 15:th-Jul-2017
Anyone know for LHD cars?
DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 15:th-Jul-2017
(15:th-Jul-2017, 08:15:01)zzattack Wrote: Anyone know for LHD cars?
Behind glovebox.
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RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - zzattack - 15:th-Jul-2017
Surely I would've seen it then by now.
Any idea if the loom can be built?
I did contact a few sellers of the DAB module but none had the cable for it and I did find one new for €160 which is a bit crazy if you ask me.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 15:th-Jul-2017
yes you can make the loom your self.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - zzattack - 16:th-Jul-2017
Any details on this? Pins and connector don't seem too common, you found a source for them?
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 17:th-Jul-2017
(16:th-Jul-2017, 10:28:11)zzattack Wrote: Any details on this? Pins and connector don't seem too common, you found a source for them?
I can send you the connector and some pins with the camera I'll grab the wiring info for you.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - zzattack - 17:th-Jul-2017
That'd be much appreciated, thanks!
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - zzattack - 17:th-Jul-2017
Actually, that's okay.. I found a DAB+ module at the scrapyard and they let me cut part of the loom from another car.
If you have the pinning diagram (I searched in SPS but couldn't find it yet) that'd be great!
![[Image: u4d_and_loom_thumb.jpg]](https://files.zzattack.org/img/sig/dab/u4d_and_loom.jpg)
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - zzattack - 17:th-Jul-2017
I've mostly figured it out. Pinout of A12 X1 is:
Code:
pin/wire thickness/id/descr.
3 0.35 YE 5169 Mid Speed GMLAN Serial Data (+)
4 0.75 RD/VT 3140 Battery Positive Voltage
5 0.35 BARE 1573 Front Audio Drain Wire
6 0.35 BN/WH 367 Remote Radio Left Audio Signal
7 0.35 BN/BK 372 Remote Radio Audio (-)
8 0.35 D-GN/WH 368 Remote Radio Right Audio Signal (1)
9 0.35 GY 388 Remote Radio Right Audio Signal (2)
12 0.35 WH 5170 Mid Speed GMLAN Serial Data (-)
13 0.75 BK 1750 GroundAccording to the schematic we can grab pins 5-9 from the big connector on the radio.
A pair for of power wires for pins 4/13 shouldn't be too hard to come by.
X84 is mentioned in the schematic as 'data link connector' so I'm pretty sure this fills the remaining pins 3 and 12, just gotta figure out where I can find this connector. I'd rather not splice these wires.
X84 will be the OBD2 connector I suppose. I'll make the cable and request a VCI, hope that works out
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - zzattack - 17:th-Jul-2017
Actually, hooking them up to the OBD2 connector doesn't make sense as then it'll just be an unconnected wire.
Rusty can u weigh in on where to get the Mid Speed GMLAN Serial Data wires?
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 18:th-Jul-2017
Ok I see you found them was just going to share them.
Ok A12 x1 pin1 Yellow 5169 splice into A11 x1 pin 35
A12 x1 pin12 Wite 5170 splice into A11 x1 pin 36
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - zzattack - 18:th-Jul-2017
Yea that'll work, thanks.
Would you also splice in the power lines into that connector or is there a better suited spot for that?
DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Rusty2009 - 18:th-Jul-2017
(18:th-Jul-2017, 07:58:04)zzattack Wrote: Yea that'll work, thanks.
Would you also splice in the power lines into that connector or is there a better suited spot for that?
Yeah red/yellow splice to red/yellow on A11 x1.
Black you can splice into black on A11 x1. Or you can find a ground point on the chassis.
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RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - zzattack - 18:th-Jul-2017
Yeah that'll work, perfect.
For reference:
* For DAB+ you want a 'U4D' module (OEM numbers below)
* It does not matter what car the module is taken from, even if they have different OEM numbers.
* There is no need for the module to be unpaired/reset
* The old UBT module is for DAB, not DAB+, so don't bother searching for that anymore
* The loom connecting the module with the radio is identical between U4D and UBT
In order not to confuse anybody I will only list the OEM numbers I found that are for U4D modules:
- 13426583 (from Insignia/Ampera)
- 13435756 (from Astra/Zafira)
- 13410170 (from Mokka)
- 13483128 (from Astra?)
They are interchangable however! You can save an eBay search for this or request the numbers on proxyparts etc.
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - niteram - 29:th-Jul-2017
I've now fitted the ZU unit onto the right rear window
I managed to pull the trims back enough to get it in and connected to the window
The wiring was tucked in above the headlining, so just needed plugging in.
Now all I need is the module for the front (and to get it coded)
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - rlievens - 27:th-Nov-2017
Hi guys, I'm looking to upgrade the factory installed DAB to DAB+, if possible.
I have DVD800 (I understand this doesn't exist in the UK but I hope it will be the same) with factory DAB installed. But in Belgium we don't have a lot of radio stations transmitting on DAB, they all moved on to DAB+. I also found out that you guys in the UK don't use DAB+ but still hope you can help me.
I don't know a lot about DAB and the head units, and I just can't figure it out on my own.
Is it possible to change out my DAB module for an DAB+ one and if so which one, what kind?
RE: DAB retro fit for cars with the cd500 and 600 - Jpbroad1970 - 27:th-Nov-2017
(27:th-Nov-2017, 11:12:33)rlievens Wrote: Hi guys, I'm looking to upgrade the factory installed DAB to DAB+, if possible.
I have DVD800 (I understand this doesn't exist in the UK but I hope it will be the same) with factory DAB installed. But in Belgium we don't have a lot of radio stations transmitting on DAB, they all moved on to DAB+. I also found out that you guys in the UK don't use DAB+ but still hope you can help me.
I don't know a lot about DAB and the head units, and I just can't figure it out on my own.
Is it possible to change out my DAB module for an DAB+ one and if so which one, what kind?
if I believe correctly you can fit it but you will need to get a vci from gm about £35.00 I think but not sure on price