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HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 10:th-May-2014 HOW TO FOR THE LED DRL ERROR FREE BULBS FOR THE ASTRA J 5 DOOR. INFO......... The GTC does not need load resisters the LED bulbs will be plug and play error free. This is what you will need for the LED DRLS. Two LED DRL bulbs. 7443. 50/50 four 50w 6,ohm Load Resisters. some clips x8 or solder and shrink wrap optional. and some extra 8,ohm cable red and black. So you can have extra cable to move the resisters somewhere safe as you dont get much on the load resisters. However to make the LED DRL Dim Down in Side Light mode Error free an extra set of Load Resisters and a Extra 4 clips will be needed. The bulbs look fantastic with a little projector on the front of the LED and SMD,S on the outside of the LED so they are really bright and cover 360 degrees the fit of the bulb in the holder is really good and there is no chance these will come out at all the Load Resisters have two holes for screws so fitting these will be easy and safe they do get Very Hot and should be Mounted some were safe so they will not Melt Anything. STEP ONE......... Remove the air filter box and the washer bottle etc like you would when you change your DRL bulbs follow this how to and remove the bits and the bulbs out of the holders. http://www.vxoc.org.uk/forum/Thread-How-to-change-drl-and-h7-bulbs Also before you start any work put a cloth down the air intake pipe so you do not drop anything down there. STEP TWO............ Fit the 4 Load Resisters Two Load Resisters to each DRL placing them some where Safe and Preferably fit them to the Body of the car to Something Metal as they do get Very Hot and may Melt Plastic i Drilled a Pilot hole and used a self taper screw to keep them in Position look before you Drill and make sure it is in a Safe Place. STEP THREE......... Make a small hole in the DRL Covers so you can get the 4 wires through from the Load Resisters these wires will stay outside the Cover and any clips will be inside the cover so make sure this is Threaded through Before you clip the Wires Together. STEP FOUR......... Look at the back of the DRL bulb you will see 4 Numbers three wires marked 2 3 4 and 1 is blank 2, is side light, 3, is DRL Positive, 4 is Negative. how to wire the Load Resisters up to the Correct Wires on the DRL Snap Connectors are sent with the kit Clip the Negatives from the Two Load Resistors to the Negative on the DRL in Position 4 you can use two Clips for this. or you can Splice, Solder and Shrink Wrap if you wish. Clip the Positive from one Load Resister to the Positive on the DRL in Position 2, Side Light Clip the Positive from the other Load Resister to the Positive on the DRL Position 3, DRL. Here is how the Clips Work. I was sent 4, clips and 2, Load Resisters but I recommend 8, clips and 4, Load Resisters Two Load Resisters are needed for Each DRL to make them Work Correctly and DIM Down in Side Light mode Error Free Here is a Diagram to show how to Wire them in Correctly. STEP FIVE........... Refit the new LEDs Back into the Light Units and push the Connectors in too the Gaps Then Refit the DRL Covers you can put a Bit of Silicone over the four Wires to close any Gaps in the Hole you made Refit the Air filter Box and Test the new Lights are all Working Correctly DO NOT start the Engine when the Air filter Box is not Back in Position. The bulbs are Error Message Free and will not Upset the Canbus. make sure Everything is fitted Correctly and you are all Done. THE RESULTS........ LED, IN DRL MODE. The LED are much brighter and whiter than the PIAA. LED IN SIDE LIGHT MODE. They will dim down from side light mode but they still look nice and bright. LED AND MAIN LIGHTS Phillips extreme vision. Here is a night time comparison LED vrs PIAA. PIAA DRL LED DRL The LED is a purer white light and brighter than the PIAA. And here are a few pics of the LED DRL,S AT NIGHT LED DRL,... LED, IN SIDE LIGHT, DIM MODE. LED AND MAIN LIGHTS They fill the light unit much better than the PIAA did. These LED DRLS are Fantastic they are so much Better than the Standard Bulbs and the PIAA the Pictures Really do not do them Justice at all they are a Really good Upgrade and no Error Message is a Bonus and they will also Dim Down. You Can Not just Add Two Positive Wires from one Load Resister Two Load Resisters Per LED have to be used for Them to Work Correctly Error Free. UPDATE.......... Just got the LED bulbs from HID,S DIRECT super fast next day Delivery they are a 27 SMD so much Better than the 18 SMD i had They also Dim Down for Side Light and the fit is Perfect and not loose at all they look so much Brighter so Highly Recommended.. http://www.hids-direct.co.uk/r580-7443-w21-5w-gen-2-canbus-27-smd-5050-led-bulbs-pair-white/ LED Lights on DRL mode. Side Light or Dimmed Down mode.. work perfect and they are the Best i have found so far So from now on i am only Recommending these LED DRL,S...from HID,S DIRECT. ALSO i recommend Splicing and Shrink Wrapping the wires instead of using the Snap Connectors SEE POST. 48, Below for more info. And not All 7443 LED Bulbs will Dim Down for the Side Light Test the Bulbs first and make Sure they will Dim Down if not rotate the bulbs till they do and if they will still not dim down for side light look at the Posts Below for a fix as the Pins Need to be Moved about to Make that work Correctly. SEE POST. 47, below for more info on this problem. The DRL LED must dim down for sidelight and main lights this is part of the MOT RULES. AS WITH ALL ELECTRICAL HOW TOO,S. you do this at your own risk if you follow the how to correctly there should be no problems thank you. HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Cameron UK - 10:th-May-2014 Can't wait to get these done (by tucpal) lol HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 10:th-May-2014 is that a hint HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Cameron UK - 10:th-May-2014 tucpal Wrote:is that a hint Hahahah yeh, next time your heading east we may have to meet up!!! HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 10:th-May-2014 No problem HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Cameron UK - 18:th-May-2014 tucpal Wrote:No problem Do all 4 of the clips go inside the light housing then??? Is there enough room??? HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 18:th-May-2014 they should sit in the cover so keep them close together i don't like the clips my self and joint soldered the wires when i redid the two loads but yes they will fit in there just HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Lewis6317 - 19:th-May-2014 Cameron UK Wrote:Can't wait to get these done (by tucpal) lol tucpal Wrote:is that a hint Can i hint too lol HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Cameron UK - 19:th-May-2014 Lewis6317 Wrote:Can i hint too lol I've just ordered mine from lush!! Can't wait Maybe a stupid request but can you post a link for the exact type of screws needed HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 19:th-May-2014 I just used what I had lying about Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Steve-Savalas - 24:th-May-2014 Great write-up & good news! Typical that I've just forked out for PIAA DRL's. I'll be ordering these though for sure. HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 24:th-May-2014 welcome Steve the LED work real well. HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - bannan - 18:th-Jul-2014 Did you use 50w load resistors for the drl and the sidelight? Can you not get away using a 25w and a 10w so they dont get as hot? HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 18:th-Jul-2014 50w no idea if you can use lower HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Steve-Savalas - 19:th-Jul-2014 Tucpal, I emailed lush about these, but they said they only have cree bulbs in stock at the minute. They said that you got the cree + LED bulbs.... What's the difference!? Cheers. Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 20:th-Jul-2014 CREE are really bright with the 360 degree led they make a real bright LED but one LED blow on me a few weeks back i was sent a different type that are not cree and only have 8 led around them and to be honest there no way near as bright as the first LED bulbs i was sent i dont like the new bulbs and i am looking for a new set HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Steve-Savalas - 20:th-Jul-2014 Ok,thanks. I guess we could buy the bulbs from anywhere now that we know how to set up the resistors. Keep us updated if you find any good bulbs ;-) Sent from my iPad using Tapatalk HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - bannan - 20:th-Jul-2014 I've got some ordered from custom led. They have the resistors too but going to try with lower wattage ones. Will let you know what they are like when they get them in. They had the number plate leds with built in load resistors. Have these been tried on the J by anyone? HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Cameron UK - 20:th-Jul-2014 Steve-Savalas Wrote:Ok,thanks. I guess we could buy the bulbs from anywhere now that we know how to set up the resistors. Keep us updated if you find any good bulbs ;-) As long as they have the projector and some Crees on the side they will be good http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/351021985829 Just ordered 2 of these, will let u all know how I get along! http://www.customled.co.uk/products/canbus-accessories/144~t20-7443-resistor-error-canceller HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 21:st-Jul-2014 no to the first link they are not dual filament bulbs and will not dim no2 worth a go let me know how you get on with that i would say these are the first bulbs i had and liked possibly but they look like they dim different so not 100% sure http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2-AMPOULES-LED-CNJY-TITAN-CREE-T20-7443-W21-5W-FEUX-DE-JOUR-VW-CRAFTER-/151320060490?pt=FR_JG_Auto_Pi%C3%A8ces_Outillage&var=&hash=item233b60e24a these may be worth a go http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/2x-50w-T20-W21W-7443-BRIGHTEST-CREE-LED-WHITE-CANBUS-BRAKE-REVERSE-FOG-BULBS-/151354458468?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item233d6dc164 http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/W21-5W-7443-T20-580-WHITE-16W-HIGH-POWER-LED-TAIL-STOP-CAR-BULBS-/331154924111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d1a5f224f bulbs need to be 7443 cree 21w/5w i tried these and again just not as bright as cree but worked but not overly impressed http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-ASTRA-J-09-P21W-5W-DRL-LIGHT-BULBS-7443-T20-6000K-18-SMD-XENON-WHITE-/321215617931?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AAstra+J&hash=item4ac9f15b8b i will try these next http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/W21-5W-7443-T20-580-WHITE-16W-HIGH-POWER-LED-TAIL-STOP-CAR-BULBS-/331154924111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d1a5f224f HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 27:th-Jul-2014 i just got these on order will update to what i think http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/W21-5W-7443-T20-580-WHITE-16W-HIGH-POWER-LED-TAIL-STOP-CAR-BULBS-/331154924111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d1a5f224f HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Lewis6317 - 29:th-Jul-2014 Lots of choices. when you get it going without blowing, let us know ;-) i would like to try this. HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 29:th-Jul-2014 the new ones i was sent work fine but i want cree as there brighter thats why i will try the above ones should be here in a day or two HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 30:th-Jul-2014 bad news and good news bad news first these turned up today http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/W21-5W-7443-T20-580-WHITE-16W-HIGH-POWER-LED-TAIL-STOP-CAR-BULBS-/331154924111?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4d1a5f224f and they do not dim down and also are just to long and do not fit well at all just like the replacement LED bulbs i was sent by lush they look very similar and also do not hold well at in the holder and just about fit as they to are too long the ones from lush were that lose one fell in the headlight and took about an hour to get out so overall not impressed with the new bulbs at all the first ones i was sent from lush were real good and i now know why the problem is not with the LED light it is to do with the size of the led bulb the reflector in the headlight needs a smaller bulb if it is too long the light misses the reflector and light output is reduced now for the good news i got these also and they work perfect and dim like they should also error free when the load resistors are on them http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/VAUXHALL-INSIGNIA-09-P21W-5W-DRL-LIGHT-BULBS-7443-T20-6000K-18-SMD-XENON-WHITE-/321215614118?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Model%3AAstra+J&hash=item4ac9f14ca6 they look much brighter than the LED projector lights from lush that are just too long if they were shorter and fitted better they would be ok but they dont the ones below are smaller and they light up the reflector in the headlight a lot better so i have given up in my quest for cree led.s as there all going to be to long or will not dim down and this is the LED i now recommend. there cheep there the right size they fit nice and perfect and they look good too so i am sticking with this from now on. i am still happy with the LED DRL.s and think these will be better in the long run NOTE........ [COLOR="#FFFF00"]PLEASE SEE THE HOW TO ABOVE THESE LED BULBS DID NOT LAST AND I NOW ONLY RECOMMEND THE ONES FROM HIDS DIRECT IN THE ABOVE HOW TO POST.[/COLOR] HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Cameron UK - 30:th-Jul-2014 Thanks for the update mate, I'll know what to go for when mine from lush eventually blow, which they will HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 28:th-Oct-2014 THE HOW TO HAS BEEN UPDATED WITH BETTER LED BULBS, i no longer recommend any other LED bulbs apart from the ones from HID,S DIRECT, HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 16:th-Jan-2015 Just an update on the LED DRL from HIDS DIRECT There still going strong love them. Well recommended. HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Lewis6317 - 16:th-Jan-2015 They look so good mate, i do want to do mine at some point. [MENTION=2]tucpal[/MENTION] which leds did you use mate as there is a few different ones linked in the topic Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 16:th-Jan-2015 The ones in the how to at the bottom from HIDS DIRECT http://www.hids-direct.co.uk/r580-w21-5w-canbus-27-smd-5050-led-bulbs-pair-white/ HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Lewis6317 - 16:th-Jan-2015 nice mate, i was looking at there hid kit which is for the standard lights. http://www.hids-direct.co.uk/astra-mk6-h7-canbus-pro-hid-conversion-35w-xenon-kit/ But would they only be for the main beam or normal lights? or would i need two kits for both h7's? are these loads ok? http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/25W-25OHM-LED-RESISTER-CANCELLER-Flashing-Brake-Light-Side-DRL-T10-BA9S-H6W-1156-/281064914292?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&hash=item4170c63d74 HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 16:th-Jan-2015 You would need 2X 50w loads mate I strongly advise against putting HIDS into a standard halageon headlight HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Migwell030744 - 18:th-Jan-2015 Yes you can tell when someone has them fitted in Halogen units as they blind you. HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - DNT - 19:th-Jan-2015 Hello guys, congratulations for your great forum. It's nice to see people loving our car so much. I'd like to contribute to your discussion with my experience in led's in order to pay you back for the help your how to's offered to me. What I ve learned is that we need leds with Current that is above 1.75A in order not to have error messages. Unfortunately I haven't found any leds that exceed 1A yet. Most led sellers lie about led Wattage so you cant be sure about their Current. Anyway, the best leds I ve tried till now are these: http://www.ledcarheadlightbulbs.com/photo/pl2704829-flexible_80w_car_t20_led_bulb_7440_7443_t20s_led_tail_light_turn_signal_bulbs.jpg They do show up an error message if you dont have resistors as they are clearly nowhere near 80watts. BUT they are really powerfull, brighter than PIAA 27/8w I used before or any other led I ve tried and they are WHITE. Really white without a tint of blue. Any other led I tried was white with a tint of blue. So for me the winner are those leds. Kind of pain in the @@@ to fit them because they are a bit longer than the others but the result will reward you. I haven't fitted resistors yet so I have to press the side button twice in order to clear the messages but i plan to fit resistors. Also check this out using a translator: https://www.drive2.ru/l/2629091/ PS: I dont know why but I have a feeling that these leds may do the trick and work without resistors or errors. If someone could try them would be great because for now I'm broke! http://www.ebay.com/itm/2-7440-7443-992-High-Power-COB-LED-18W-Reverse-Backup-Light-Turn-Signal-DRL-Lamp-/130921934438?pt=Motors_Car_Truck_Parts_Accessories&hash=item1e7b8e2e66&vxp=mtr HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 19:th-Jan-2015 Thanks for the info and welcome to vxoc :cool as you say and i found out not all LED bulbs will dim down on the Astra J the last link does look interesting i may have a go in the summer but i have loads so wont be able to tell if they will be error free without them. HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - DNT - 20:th-Jan-2015 tucpal Wrote:as you say and i found out not all LED bulbs Any 7443 bulb will dim down. The bulbs that sellers sell are like this (left one): http://2.bp.blogspot.com/-v7fbjojv_WY/T-wg7rjdU8I/AAAAAAAAArw/HCaA3nYrcis/s1600/7443+7440+wiring.jpg But our bulb holder is like this(right one): minuses at one side, positives (drl and sidelights) at the other side. You can see the difference on the picture: [ATTACH=CONFIG]286[/ATTACH] So all you have to do is realign the pins of the led bulb in order to fit to our bulb holder: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zhYpU33TrDQ And voila, leds work in both modes. Thats what i did with all the leds I ve tried so far and it worked like a charm HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 20:th-Jan-2015 i get it thanks i had seen the you tube clip but i really never understood it but now i have read this i do that will be the reason some never dimmed down for me and some did that should help others looking for LED bulbs that in counter this problem. HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - DNT - 24:th-Jan-2015 A different way to install a load resistor(not my car). [ATTACH=CONFIG]287[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]288[/ATTACH] [ATTACH=CONFIG]289[/ATTACH] HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 24:th-Jan-2015 yep you can do it that way it you like same will apply just pick up the DRL and Side light and ground you still would need two loads thou to be totally error free but the second picture i am not to sure what i am looking at there as the loom looks like it has melted or that is just taped together HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - grahamfromoldham - 24:th-Jan-2015 I have fitted (as per Tucpal's 'How to LED DRL error free' guide) but I am having a headache with faults that have thrown up. I have installed the resistors, wiring and Scotchlok clips and LED bulbs correctly. Firstly, the left DRL will light intermittlently but it will light on the sidelight OK. And now the following faults show intermittently: Check left dipped beam lamp Check right dipped beam lamp Check left Daylight running lamp Check right Daylight running lamp When the lights are switched to auto, sidelights and DRL's light OK when its dark. When it is light outside, DRL's do not light in auto mode. (When I turn off the automatic lights feature, the DRL's stay off. I never noticed this with the PIAA bulbs as I thought the DRL's stayed lit no matter what) ANY help appreciated as always, Graham HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 24:th-Jan-2015 what bulbs have you used ? and what load resisters ? as long as you have used two loads on each DRL like this then they are correct HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - grahamfromoldham - 24:th-Jan-2015 Bulbs: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/321215617110 Resistors: http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/171396959845 The only slight difference between my installation and yours is that I have used two Scotchloks for the Negatives instead of putting three wires into one Scotchlok as per your diagram. HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 24:th-Jan-2015 that is fine as long as both negatives from the loads are on the negative from the DRL holder and one positive from each load goes to drl and side light and both DRL,s have teo loads each left and right i think the problem is the bulbs do they dim down for side light if you go to the how to and look at the last few posts from DNT he talks about not all LED bulbs are set up for are set up and shows how this can be corrected HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 24:th-Jan-2015 i need to put in the how to too check the led bulbs work correctly and they dim down for side light and drl before you wire the loads in if not the LED will need to have its pins move to the correct positions HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - grahamfromoldham - 24:th-Jan-2015 OK Tucpal, you've given me something to work on. Will have to do it tomorrow as we've lost the light for today in Winsford. Thanks again HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 24:th-Jan-2015 No problem i am sure DNT will explane the led config HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - DNT - 24:th-Jan-2015 tucpal Wrote:but the second picture i am not to sure what i am looking at there Its just tape I think tucpal Wrote:you still would need two loads thou to be totally error free Those resistors are suitable for both modes (check wiring at first picture) plus they have that anti-thermal rubber/sleeve preventing resistors cathing fire in case they stop functioning as they were supposed to HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 24:th-Jan-2015 i will show how to reline the pins on the led later on for you also the loads will cancel the errors for the different wattage bulbs but you will still get errors if the bulb has blown or the led pins on the led are wrong HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - tucpal - 24:th-Jan-2015 have you got a link for them at all ? i see so it has two positive wires and one negative it does sound good HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - Lewis6317 - 24:th-Jan-2015 Tucpal could you link me to a set of loads mate? I have just ordered the LED drls from his direct or are these ok http://www.ebay.co.uk/itm/50W-6OHM-LED-DRL-Can-Bus-Error-RESISTORS-WARNING-CANCELLER-FREE-1156-BA15s-1157-/271019376342?pt=UK_CarsParts_Vehicles_CarParts_SM&fits=Car+Make%3AVauxhall&hash=item3f1a037ed6 HOW-TO LED DRL Error free for the Astra-J 5 door - DNT - 24:th-Jan-2015 tucpal Wrote:have you got a link for them at all ? Unfortunately I ve discovered them in a site thats similar to ebay in Turkey. They cost about 22 pounds but language is a barrier in order to contact the seller . http://www.sahibinden.com/ilan/yedek-parca-aksesuar-donanim-tuning-aksesuar-tuning-otomobil-arazi-araci-opel-astra-j-insignia-drl-gunduz-fari-led-ampulu-plusdekoder-fd03-136135135/detay |